Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. Eventually, revolver designs changed. So I traded it. The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. Few indeed even care about SA revolvers anymore, or even know they exist, or care about the firing mechanism. Never mind the others. Guess what? With hammer fired guns, we have more options to prevent guns from accidently firing. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. There are any number of guns out there with firing systems that, if dropped, will fire a round under the hammer. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? On Amazon, they run about $35 just sans the NRA stamped door. If you are so scared of a striker fired trigger, then why not get a hammer fired gun? without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. But, some want only one item to cover every base. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. Because criminals dont follow laws, and as long as you stay off the radar, nobody is checking your gun. When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. What I want then is a big bang noise when I pull the trigger, and not much else. The reason was that there wasnt anything between the hammer and either the nipple or the primer of the cartridge. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. or not. I carry a LC9, no problem. It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . Revolvers with their heavy double action trigger pulls are perfectly safe to carry with a round in the . Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity.. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. and you can have a hammer strap optioned for anything with a hammer except dao. Of course all of those Glock NDs were due to human error. There is no doubt about it. 1:43:08-1:43:32. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. So when do you get to be a klutz if youve taken the time to train those reactions until as the experts say you not only get it right, you cant get it wrong? Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[468,60],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_2',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');I, as well as others, have tested and tried to get the Safe Action System, to fail but without actually modifying parts, we havent been able to. israeli carry is stupid. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. You just have to get comfortable with it. Capacity: 15 rounds. and yes i train and rehearse that says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. I tease my friends when I can see their chamber indicator, I listened to guys who had been there.. Maybe I counted wrong? And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. Carried chambered until the kids came. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. Same here. I never carried a gun before my G27. Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. DA/SA make the most sense to me. But how often are you a klutz when handling or holstering your firearm? Is really shouldnt be that hard. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. This makes it about five ounces lighter than another popular 9mm Luger gun, the Glock 19. No permits needed, no interference from the State. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. These are: 1. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. On Firefox for my Linux machine it even goes right to the place on the page I was when I saved. Every day. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. Is it just something one has to get used to? The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. 7. Or even sex. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. Still disagree? Come on, Gov, you know better than that. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. More : Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a . Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. Use whatever gun you want. The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. The Israelis didn't invent the practice but it got the name from Israeli armed forces policy. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. Why would anyone want only one of something? Weve beaten this dead horse enough. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. Notice if the trigger is ever depressed. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. A un-chambered carry gun is useless. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Even some shotguns will do that. A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. Many striker/plastic pistols, like the S&W Sygma, have actual DA triggers, that do not use glocks UN safe-action trigger scheme. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. One near each upstairs door and one near the basement door. , I never said I dont make mistakes I just never have with a gun hurt your feelings knute man up and get over it, Look what I found: As stated above, Glocks are safe. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: Many firearms enthusiasts and experts consider it to be the most effective and efficient way to carry a handgun for self-defense. I was shown( Thank You RES), yank that sucker out, moveaim, fire. I home carry, but as far as pistol lockboxes go, I recommend the Fort Knox (top opening lid) and the Sentry Safe with biometric lock (also has a key and keypad). It prevents the trigger from being manipulated unless a finger is pressing on it. Next, there was some discussion about GLOCKs. I like having a gun ready to shoot but I need a second chance when Im juggling. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. Not a bad plan. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. But in my house, in the middle of the night, what do I care about 50 yard accuracy or the ability to knock over a steel plate or knock a bowling pin off a table? And make sure when you holster or unholster that the holster is clear of obstructions. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Agreed. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. Same here. Various firearms but could go to dagger, spear, sword and buckler, longsword, or smallsword if for some reason one of those seemed like a good idea. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. As one gun writer said years ago, its amazing someone was not smart enough to hire a good gun savvy lawyer and sue Glock out of existence with all the accidents this pistol has caused. so i compensate for that with situational awareness and trying not to put myself in situations or places where that will happen When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. Dry fire and have a friend rush you with a fake knife. ended up in the guys nostril, and he still didnt get quiet, until he heard the cocking of the hammer. Kind of like Youtube is determined to censor everything but SJWs and cat videos. This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction. Recently retired the PPK in favor of a Sig P365. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? For gun owners looking to maximize the life of their firearms, it's important to understand what type of ammunition is acceptable and safe to use in their guns. I carry a Glock 21 with a round in the chamber I constantly handle the gun to keep excellent muscle memory if you dont want to have the gun fire dont touch trigger. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. But that would mean giving up my beloved 1911! Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. Glocks have a very long trigger pull. The Baltimore Police Department, Los Angeles Police Department, Miami Police Department, and Maryland State Police are all known to utilize the Glock handgun. Muscle memory is a life saver when things go adrenaline slow MO mode, and those Taurus, PT-111s, have that thumb safety where Im used to one being, the pipe is red hot, and, eyeball to eyeball, it will fire again without re-racking the rear sights on someones nose. And my Glock 17. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. This pistol gained [] Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. A S&W Model 329. You could also chamber a snap cap, holster it, do your daily routine around the house and then check if trigger was pulled. Its a toughy. The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. With only six on tap anyway, whats one less? How often are you a klutz when driving a car? Try it with any style sidearm. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? Does the gun have a external safety, or is it internal. People are going to make mistakes but when you design a tool as unsafe as the Glock its not a maybe they will have an accidental discharge its a fking fact that sooner or later they will. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. Mad about covers it. 19th century Colt hammers. One could write an entire book about just the intricacies of revolver internals, but no one would buy it, now that most dont even know what revolvers are. Run what you brung. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. Safe wise, I like the Homak #584 4 digit/code safe. Go get a titanium firing pin. I appendix carry my 42 chambered, the holster covers the trigger so I feel safe carrying this way, I been carrying this way for a while without issue. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Especially in a stressful situation. Five years ago I reviewed the Glock 43, the second pistol in Glock's "Slimline" series of thin grip pistols. As a matter of fact in an extreme emergency you could carry the HK with no holster and in your pocket or even waist band but if you did the same thing with a Glock you would quickly blow your balls off in short order. Someone who wants to spend a couple thou on a gun should be more than willing to put the energy into learning how to use it safely. We have lots more on the site to show you. On paper? Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. I am thinking G2S, my ankle sometimes gets chilly, but, Im happy with my PA-63 In 918, and I have a CZ, in 918, that has the best SA trigger Ive ever felt, since the Smith S.S. Model 66, .357 which was accurized, and tweaked by a smith, that was flat out dangerous, hair wasnt the word. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. At least until the computer catches up and opens multiple copies. Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. Been reading the thread here on this topic, since we all have an O I quite agree with your spot on comment Sir. Some extras, just in case one breaks? Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. #5. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. oh yeahuhcarry what you like guys. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. Itll never come out to get cleaned, the retention will never fail, the gun will never fall out when you unbelt to take a crap in other words you dont make mistakes. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? I answered the asked question. WOW! I still dont get any notifications that someone has replied to any of my comments. Sometimes I ask a question. Of course, older designs without an internal firing pin block can go off if dropped. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. An insignificant cretin crying for attention in a world that has left him far, far behind. In my 3-screw, yes. On Firefox for Windows, it just goes to the top of the page, but it will still get the newest comments. Call us at (586) 333-4240, and we'll guide you through the process of choosing a holster to suit your needs. Um. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Options are good. The finger does not go in the trigger guard until Im ready to fire. But if the gun has to be pointing at the ground for the problem to occur, then how big a problem can it be? You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. It will go off. I dont believe anyone has the right to keep me from holding, using and appreciating these art forms. When the time comes that you actually need your carry weapon things are going to happen really fast. As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. I once owned 12 of them. (Take that, NYPD!) The M&P Shield is a popular and commonplace pistol for concealed carry. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearm's design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. A good 1/2 inch drive ratchet upside the head will drop most anyone like they were a sack of feed corn. Boy, that must be realllll nice. But thank goodness I dont have to make that choice. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Only ONE centerfire pistol? In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Its funny how a pimp like VLAD TEPES is accepted and sometimes glorified for his rhetoric of cut and paste (fake news) values but a person who simply chooses a different way of carrying is villified and demonized by those who scream for personal freedom. Thank you very much. It is a DAO and . So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. I am sure you will tell us that since you are a stable genius it will never happen to you. The LC9s can not be fired in any other way accidently unless the trigger is deliberately pulled. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. Carrying any weapon with nothing in the chamber is carrying an unloaded weapon. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. There is also one of an off duty cop pulling up his pants and firing his clip draw equipped pistol. Your local police do exactly that. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. Amen brother. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. Haha. its full screen with proper sound and everything. Whats a fleshlight? No wait . She had the edge, rock steady hands of a brain surgeon. Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. I hope to later, but I just moved to a state that allows it, and our first child just turned one. True dat. Marshals (1998). they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Situational risk assessment. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. Jordan enjoys giving his time and resources to help others and has spent 15 years volunteering in a boy's mentoring program He is and will always be an American Patriot. When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. De nada. Well, except for that ad hominem attack, anyway. Do u carry an AR all day too? There are some days (summer, mostly) when I carry the Walther PK380. I carry my Jericho the same way. Cruiser ready generally refers to a gun that has a loaded magazine but an empty chamber. Cocked and locked . The Series 80 was a solution in search of a problem ie, it was created by lawyers. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. Oh - And my Cobra .22 has one round in EACH chamber. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . Please consider creating a . But Knute is fine, and nobody else seems to want it. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action.

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